I have to at least go see it......
http://miami.craigslist.org/brw/cto/3056172108.html
That would be a nice project for someone with the money and the time.
And when you see it, ask why it has a '69 grille, hood and bumper. The only thing '70 about that front end is the turn signal.
Why do C/L advertizers put such lame pictures up? :chin:
Quote from: trvlr480 on June 25, 2012, 02:47:47 AM
That would be a nice project for someone with the money and the time.
Shoot, it's ready-to-ride, ain't it?
Seems fair enough, don't it? :chin:
...especially if the 'terior isn't brown.
Do all 4 tires come with a full complement of oxygen / hydrogen mixture?
Keeper
let us know what you find and please take some more (and better) pics.
Gary
For $3k I think it's at least worth a look see, and find out why there is that '69 grill and hood on there.
Mike
I think it's sound like a good deal, but I bet you your in for a surprise when you get there .
The trick will be to get him to go. Y'all want too much now.
Not me. Here, a car like that if it were solid would be gone the day it was posted.
Mike
He was here last night at 8:30. He's avoiding 'talking' now.
So far just from the crappy pics, it needs a top, tires at least one fender skirt, either the correct hood, grille and bumper, or the correct turn signals and tail lights for a 69.
So just to walk up and buy the car, you would need to lay out $6000 for the car and the registration, which is now a $500 fee just to add a vehicle to your collection.
The big thing would be shipping it here. Then you'd have to have it go through a safety inspection to get a "Fit" ownership. That would entail fixing all those things that are listed in the inspection that are not up to standard. But it's not nearly as anal as those in AU or NZ. Add vintage car insurance for $100 and you're good to go.
Then of coarse are the requisit taxes.
But for the sum of $5-6,000 it would be on the road. A car like that goes for at least that amount here.
Mike
Ok,I did talk briefly with the guy.He says its a 70 and listed it for the old guy.I feel from
the photos only,it was worth a look.I will never buy another car to fix up.It would be used
as is,like mine is now.Restoration in my opinion only would be worth it on a Mopar.Know
what I mean?Its kinda close but one of my guys up and quit and moved to TAMPA!!I have
been covering all shifts.
A '70 that was in a pretty bad crash and cobbled together with '69 parts. No thank you.
And Mopars are just as big a rust bucket as Cadillac was in those years. And unless they have the 426 Hemi or 440, they are just another old car.
Even relatively plebian Mopars are commanding stupid money these days. For the life of me I don't get it. In their day they were shit boxes once they got a few years on them.
Belvederes never lasted very long, if they didn't rust out, the electrical systems spelled their early demise.
Mike
Most anything from the 70's rotted off of the frames before their time. Even the Jap junk did.
As much as I like the Cadillacs of this era, they were total rust wagons if not kept in a temperature controlled environment.
Where I lived the Jap stuff lasted maybe 3 or 4 years and it was a rusted out hulk.
Mike
Quote from: guidematic on June 29, 2012, 11:25:55 AM
Where I lived the Jap stuff lasted maybe 3 or 4 years and it was a rusted out hulk.
I remember when the Datsun 510 came out. They lasted less than a year.
One winter in a town that got it's road salt free and they were finished.
GJ
This KRAZY stuff is what I was talking about.Just a shell,no motor and just shot! 30K
Bids over 5k really......Insane....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-DODGE-CHALLENGER-/280910376542?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4167902e5e#ht_500wt_977
Strange how these trends get going.
Remember when everyone wanted a bar-hopping chopper. Then they realized how uncomfortable they were to ride.
Remember when the price of Mustangs and 55-57 TBirds shot thru the roof, and now there's one on every corner.
Remember bell-bottom pants, Nehru jackets, Members Only windbreakers, sideburns, big hair, wide ties, and then narrow ties.
Its all about fashion and having the "in" thing. Like tatoos and piercings today.
That's just stupid money for an old Dodge shell.
Gary
Quote from: Gary on June 30, 2012, 12:32:52 PM
Strange how these trends get going.
Remember when everyone wanted a bar-hopping chopper. Then they realized how uncomfortable they were to ride.
Remember when the price of Mustangs and 55-57 TBirds shot thru the roof, and now there's one on every corner.
Remember bell-bottom pants, Nehru jackets, Members Only windbreakers, sideburns, big hair, wide ties, and then narrow ties.
Its all about fashion and having the "in" thing. Like tatoos and piercings today.
That's just stupid money for an old Dodge shell.
Gary
Jeez Gary.....Bellbottoms and sideburns. You sure know how to make a person feel old, don't you?
That's just stupid money for an old Dodge shell.Hey, the private sector is doing just fine. I'm sure someone will come along and buy it. It's been written here many times. If the price seems high, then maybe it's worth it.
It wouldn't be so bad if the money was ging for a decent car. Hell. a Mudstang is just a gussied up Falcon : wonky front suspension, bad brakes, cheap trim and all the noise, vibration, and harshness you want.
Those Dodges were road pigs with skinny tires and lousy brakes.
Remember the old Saturday Night Live character that Billy Crystal played?
His famous saying was , "It's better to look good than to feel good." With cars such as above, the saying would be, "It's better to look good, than to drive worth a damn."
Gary
Yeah but Mpoars of that era will bring BIG money so it's worth it to restore them.
You have trouble getting your money back out of almost any other brand of the same era.
It might be a stretch if it was originally a Hemi car, but a plebian 383?
Mike
Quote from: Fins on June 29, 2012, 05:14:29 AM
Most anything from the 70's rotted off of the frames before their time. Even the Jap junk did.
As much as I like the Cadillacs of this era, they were total rust wagons if not kept in a temperature controlled environment.
That's true. My '73 was originally from NJ. It took a LOT of time to fix all that rust and I knew it would come back some day. Considering how much rust it had I'm surprised it took at long as it did to start coming back especially since it's spent the majority of it's life in the ice and snow since I got it. It's just the right front fender and the left rear qtr that are really showing it though. The floor pan and everything else are in surprisingly good shape. It's probably got another 5 or 10 years before it get really gross to look at.
It's a constant battle with my '70. The bloody roof, twice. Now the left front fender and I really need rear body mounts.
Mike
I know what you mean. The roof just above the l/r qtr on mine is a mess rust wise. I went over everything a couple of years ago to try and retard the rust but I did it in less than optimum conditions (cold, wet) and it's coming back with a vengeance. I'll just keep driving it since it runs so good but eventually the cost of making it presentable is going to culminate in a parting out and junking. But so what? If I've gotten 20 years or more out of it it's worth it It's been the best, most reliable car I've evr owned. People like my old worn out '73 Caddy more than they oogle over a new Caddy or anything else because it signifies what America used to build. Not the junk it builds now. I could have afforded to go out and get into debt for a nice new flashy car or truck but I didn't because I liked this one, it serves it's purpose and I'm glad I didn't get into debt for a newer vehicle now with the economy collapsing and everything else that is going on. Crappy fuel mileage and all this is about the cheapest form of transportation I could have.
Quote from: guidematic on July 02, 2012, 11:34:57 PM
It might be a stretch if it was originally a Hemi car, but a plebian 383?
Mike
Down here all ya have to do is find an old Mopar (doesn't matter what engine it came with)
drop in a Hemi crate motor and poof!!!! You have a high dollar car and people are BUYING THEM!!!!
There are more Hemi cars running around now than Chrysler actually produced I believe.
Ueah, they drop in a new style Hemi like the guy with the 58 Brougham with the N*. That's what also ruined all of the big Chryslers. Gearheads would buy them up, pull the 440/727's out and scrap the rest.
Real Hemi cars had additional bracing in the unibody. The dead giveaway are the extra bracees on the front spring supports on the rear sprrings, also they have a specific K-frame.
As any of the really desireable muscle cars, there are likely more now than ever produced. I have no issues with that so long as they are presented as clones, not the real deal.
I have seen far too many of the big cars scrapped for the driveline. It's not so bad if they were rusted out hulks, but I've seen far too many really nice cars scrapped for the engines. I have always preferred the big luxury cars over the smaller performance oriented cars, so it always hurt me to see a big Chrysler, Ninety Eight, Kingswood Estate and so forth destroyed in such a manner.
Mike
The K-members are available and so are the 426 Hemi engines. For about $20,000
you can turn an otherwise plain Jane mopar into a $100,000 clone. People today
don't care if it has matching numbers or original color paint. They could care less.
Yes they are. But you can't execute the mods to the body. The engines have changes to the casting so you can tell the differance.
The Muscle Car crowd is pretty anal about correct everything. But if you want to make a clone, most all of the stuff is available to do so. Just don't try to pass it off as an original. Make a clone, make a phantom. Do whatever you want. That's the luxury you have when building such a vehicle.
But what was done to that Broughm was just wrong.
Mike
I agree with what you're saying. But I'm telling you these people don't care if it's correct as long as it has a Hemi. Some of these guys that couldn't afford a Hemi car back when they were young are willing to pay big bucks to have one now that they have big salaries and disposable income. A good friend of mine took a 383 Roadrunner and put a Hemi in it and painted the car and did some interior work. They didn't take the body off or do anything like that. They have turned down $100,000 more than once. His brother also has a '65 Sport Fury with a bad ass Hemi and it's the same deal, people are always trying to buy that car too for BIG MONEY. I could drop a 500 inch Cadillac motor in my '66 Coupe DeVille and nobody would look twice. But a Mopar???? Different story!!!
That's just stupid to offer as much or more money for an incorrect car tha basically started out as a run of the mill Road Runner. You can buy a real bonafide Hemi car for that sort of change.
Mind you clones are a good choice for those that want to have or drive a car they desire but without all the caché of the original. They are getting up there in price simply because assembling one is getting pricey. You can buy most all of the correct pieces to assemble the car you want, but they are not cheap.
If you find a real Hemi bodyshell, that will command a real premium even though little else is there. However any of the other shells will not really differ from a six cylinder powered car to a 383 or 440 powered car. But I will admit that people just get stupid over Mopar stuff. I have seen many examples of cars that were little more than junk going for insane prices. Like the 318 powered Scamp I saw at Moparfest a few years ago. The car was a wreck, mismatched and damaged body panels, rampant rust, trashed interior. The guy was asking $7,100 for it.
Mike
Yeah, I'd love to have a '67-'69 Dart. I wouldn't care if it came with a slant 6. I could swap the motor.
But I ain't paying $10 Grand to get one. If you find one for much less than that the bottom 6" of the body is
missing from all the rust!!!
Back in the 80's I had a nice little '67 dart 270 hardtop. Nice little car, and reasonably solid. I paid $100 for it, and by the time I had it where I wanteed, I had less than a G note into it. It had a 170 auto in it. Good on gas, but no power. I drove it for years.
Mike
I had a '65 Barracuda. Came with a Commando 273. I built a 340 and put it in. 280/480 purple shaft cam, 727 trans with 3000 converter, manual valve body, narrowed GTX 8.75 rear end with brand new posi unit and 3.91 gears. I stripped the car and painted it, redid the upholstery. I drove it for years to work and raced it on the weekends.
I loved that car.
With that old Dart, you put your foot to the floor and left it there.
I was going to drop a 440 in it, but it wasn't quite solid enough, so I aquired a 273 for it, but the circumstances at the time prevented that from happening. The 273 would have made it a really nice driver.
Mike
I remember driving that car. It took forever to get it up to speed and even longer to stop it, but it did corner real nice.
GJ
Ueah, 9" drum brakes all around really weren't terribly effective at top speed which approached 80 mph.
Mike
I had no idea it would go that fast!
I had it up to 65. I drove it two hours at HWY speed without a fan belt and it just kept on going.
I remember looking under the hood the next day and thinking "Ahh, that's where that ting ting noise was coming from". A glove box full of ballast resistors and you were good to go.
GJ
A blazing top end, and it took a good couple of miles of slightly downhill road to reach that velocity. Then when you let you foot off the gas, the worn valve seals made themselves well known.
Mike
I had a 74 Plymouth Satellite 2 Dr. slant six and auto good beater bag in the day .
I had a '66 Dodge dart as my first car with the slant six. I doubt a more bullet proof engine has ever been built.
I rebuilt one of those engines in high school.
I didn't torque anything properly or even check tolerances.
It was just slapped back together....... and it ran.
GJ
They really run nice if you adjust the lifters quiet and a nice smooth idle , I agree one of the best six bangers around , I think they even used them in industrial applications as a stationary engine.
Yes, they ran almost silently when the lifters were adjusted. I did a bunch of them back in the day. Something not many folk did when most all engines you saw had zero maintenance hydraulic lifters.
I have seen slant sixes used in many applications. Stationary, liftrucks, even combines.
Mike